Christo-paganism: Opinions?

Christo-paganism: Opinions?

I’ve mine, however I am curious as to what different (open-minded) people take into consideration this interfaith observe.

14 thoughts on “Christo-paganism: Opinions?”

  1. The ADRs (African Diaspora Religions like voodoo, santeria, candomble etc.) almost without exception syncretise catholicism onto *brujero* practices which are to all extents and purposes witchcraft, and without major problems. So it can be done.

  2. I don’t know if my opinion is open-minded. If it works for you that’s great but I personally don’t subscribe to it and have negative feelings about Christianity. It says in the bible that you’re not supposed to practice witchcraft so when people want to be Christian witches I usually just think they are full of it. I feel like I could spend more time phrasing that a different way so as not to be offensive but I don’t try to stop anyone from doing what they want or believe in. Since you asked I think it’s nonsense.

  3. I mix Christianity into my practice because Christianity is what I know best. I’ve tried paganism many many times and I never felt comfortable with worshiping Brigid or Zeus or whomever. I think the ones saying “one can’t be a Christian and a witch” don’t know much about the history of syncretism with paganism and witchcraft and Christianity. They’re fixated on being angry that their catholic daddy threw away their tarot cards.

  4. (Witch of 5 years; initiate in multiple religious traditions)

    I have a lot of thoughts about it.

    The major Abrahamic religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all function on the worship of one God…THE one God Who is also the Creator of the Universe. Numerous times in both the Old and New Testaments is it made clear that the Creator is the Supreme God and all other Gods pale in comparison. However, most of that focus is on saying just that…the Creator is Supreme. It doesn’t necessarily dock the existence of other Gods. They’re just not deserving of worship, in Abrahamic worldview. And I remember from some classes that there are certain verses which seem to say no other Gods exist but I think it’s often explained as enthusiasm for the one God vs an actual theological statement.

    Sometimes, I do feel like it is an attempt by “liberal” Christians to have the best of both worlds without fully converting away from beliefs they’ve always had. Hell is taught as a very real place that non-believers go to and even liberal Christians who believe everyone goes to Heaven would probably fear for their eternity if they left the religion behind for something else. And if you interact with other Gods, even informally, without a devotional relationship, I’m sure many Christian pastors and priests would doubt the salvation of the person in question.

    I also know of Christians who practice witchcraft and perform divination. Both are against standard Christian doctrine. Most of that seems to stem from the belief that such practices invoke the powers of demons or the Devil or extraneous evil powers. It’s not good news, either way. Otherwise, the belief might also stem from a perception that you’re changing what God has not given you the authority to change.

    But, eh, Christianity is a religion that has changed…even against it’s own doctrine. There is a phenomenon in most religions of practitioners NOT following their own doctrine and it being rationalized away. Take Mormonism, for example. Polygamy is a DEMANDED essential for salvation in Mormonism…yet most modern Mormons do not practice it (though they believe they will in eternity). Satan, as commonly taught about in Christianity, is a perversion by early Christians to rationalize God as not authoring evil. In Christian belief, God is omnipotent. There cannot be challenges to His power if He truly has all the power. But the Christian Devil, as an entity, actively challenges God and “wins” people away from Him.

    I know in Jewish belief and original doctrine, the Devil or Satan (Ha’Satan if I’m not mistaken – The Satan) is a very real entity but an agent of God. He has no power of his own accord. God gives him all of the power. He is the accuser, the tempter…he tests you and your faith because that’s his job.

    Honestly, Christian belief has changed throughout the centuries…early Christians might have believe in reincarnation or other things…so…if this is a new form of the faith, then I’m not going to complain.

    I was initiated Christian when I was 15/16 years old. I was baptized and confirmed of my own free will. But something was wrong. Christianity didn’t fill me and I felt myself growing bored with it. I left it behind when I was 17.

    But, I don’t look down on it as the “big, bad” faith. I definitely was damaged by hearing how my eternal soul was in danger and I had to accept Jesus or I’d be tortured forever in hell…but, I look at the Abrahamic religions as the worship of the Creator from different perspectives. I look at the Saints as glorified Ancestor spirits and I do work with Them as part of my religious heritage. I go to my old Church still but I ponder the Creator Entity there. I don’t think Christianity got everything right but I appreciate some aspects of it. I’m sad to see mysticism and such leave Christianity…it was the basis of all the Scriptures and now, you’d be looked at as a freak for being a mystic in that tradition.

    That’s my thought on it.

  5. My personal faith is Christo-Polytheism. Even though the triune God is the only one I worship, it got silly for me to deny others’ experiences with non-Christian deities. I believe in spirits, I believe in the existence of non-physical entities, so who am I to say your relationship with Athena isn’t legitimate? I look at it sort of like the Catholic faith – they often petition different saints for what those saints represent instead of to the Chriatian God. I know many Catholics who have better relationships with their saints than with the Christian God as well. This kind of thing counts to me as polytheism, though perhaps on a small scale. I apply my pantheon to a broader range of spirits than Catholic saints alone. At this time I’m not interested in building a relationship with any other entity, but that doesn’t mean I view anyone else’s relationship with their deity of choice as invalid.

  6. It’s not my cup of tea, personally, but what people believe and how they practice their faith and/or craft is up to them and it shouldn’t matter what other people think. There are plenty of people who practice witchcraft of some sort and honor the Christian Trinity (or part of). Gods/archetypes and religion are just a way for the human mind to comprehend spiritual energy and the world around them. There is no wrong or right when it comes to who you choose or choose not to honor in witchcraft (or paganism). You don’t even have to have a god/goddess/whatever. There are no set in stone ties to certain deities. There is no “interfaith”, only overlapping of orthodoxic ideas. So many people in the pagan and witchcraft communities seem to have animosity towards Christianity, usually because of the oppressive nature of it and how they were brought up and/or treated by Christians. So there seems to be a lot of “Oh no no no… you can’t be Pagan and worship Jesus” type comments. Honestly, worship whoever you want. It’s no one else’s business. Having a specific pantheon isn’t necessary to practice witchcraft. Paganism is (in our time) defined as religious beliefs that aren’t part of one of the major religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism etc). A religion is a specific orthodoxy that people follow. If your beliefs don’t fit a specific orthodoxy, you don’t follow that religion.

    The main point here is that Paganism is also not a religion. It’s a blanket term that covers thousands of religions, faiths, and beliefs that aren’t part of one of the major world religions. If you want to pray to Jesus, Odin, St. Anthony, and Baba Yaga all at the same time then go for it. If that’s what works for you that’s what works for you. Pagans who discriminate against other Pagans because they honor Christian gods are hypocrites (sorry not sorry) and are usually projecting their own personal animosity onto the person in question.

  7. Well, I have an issue with YHWH and his desire to suffer no witch to live. Thankfully, it doesn’t seem Jesus carried the same sentiment … but that whole Salem thing leaves me a bit uncomfortable.

    That said, I see a lot of parallels in all the religions of the world … from Gods, Goddesses, Saints, Archangels, etc. So … I’m very at home in my eclectic pagan nest where all gods are the God and all goddesses are the Goddess. 🙂 It just works for me.

  8. I understand they don’t “worship” saints, but I guess we have a different view of gods or deities. I think spirits mentioned in holy texts or are just well known are “deities.” I believe Satan is a deity of the Abrahamic pantheon. As are the saints, in my mind. The ancient Greeks rarely worshipped Hades, but he’s still a god (deity).

    It’s a shame the Greeks weren’t too into magick to the extent of the Egyptians, they definitely had a lot of potential, but I think it did come out in certain forms.

    I’ve seen the depictions and similarities between (I believe Hathor, Isis), it’s uncanny. Whether they’re the same deity, or totally separate I don’t know. But I do believe most art of Mary, Jesus, Adam and Eve, all that, was inspired by paganism.

    I actually didn’t know Lwa weren’t worshipped. I understand Voudoun relationships with the Lwa is a lot different than many other cultures, much more personal imo, but I didn’t know they weren’t worshipped. However they do sacrifice (some) to recharge the Lwa right? Is that not an act of worship?

  9. I have no issues with Christo paganism, as usually they tend to be eclectic pagans who pull from their own mix of places.

    I do however have issue with Christo Wiccans, because Christianity and Wicca both are individual religions with individual rules about faith. The two can be harmonic, but not together in the same practice in my opinion. The gods of each require different things, the core beliefs vary slightly, but enough so that I see issues arising while practicing personally.

  10. The ADRs (African Diaspora Religions like voodoo, santeria, candomble etc.) almost without exception syncretise catholicism onto *brujero* practices which are to all extents and purposes witchcraft, and without major problems. So it can be done.

  11. Well I can share my personal experience.

    I was raised Catholic and now consider myself a witch. However, the magic I practice is “Catholic folk magic,” i.e., I work with saints rather than pagan deities. As some others have mentioned, the mix of magical practices with Catholicism is especially common in places like Latin America. It is also prevalent in Southern Europe, like in rural parts of Spain and Italy. My own family were poor, rural people who came to the US from Southern Italy in the early 20th century. Some of their practices, such as consulting community healers and invoking saints for certain purposes, are very pagan in nature.

    While I am not an expert on Protestant Christianity, I feel that Catholicism lends itself more to magic as pagan influence is evident even in contemporary religious and spiritual practice. The official Church as well as hardcore “by the book” Catholics would probably not want to recognize and embrace this, but there are some who do.

    Personally, I have always had a closer relationship with the saints than with the Christian God or with Jesus. This is part of the reason I decided to pursue the path of magic and paganism. I belong to a pagan group that includes Wiccans, Druids, a shaman, and a practitioner of Voodoo. I feel that the roots of my spiritual practice can be found in ancient pagan times, rather than in the institution of the Catholic Church. That being said, I feel spiritually tied to the saints I work with; thus far I have not been inspired to work with any other deity.

  12. It’s freaking complicated and bound to raise eyebrows. I haven’t at this point started down such a path yet but it is something that I have been nudged towards spiritually. If I *were* to undergo such a practice, for me personally, it would include the combination of Abrahamic, Egyptian, and Celtic elements.

    I can’t speak for others but for me it’s all based on blood. I have ancestry connecting me to all three of the aforementioned pantheons and even, so far as I can tell, a past life/certain memories that would seem to indicate connections between all three faiths as well.

    Personally my views on the Abrahamic faith are very much outside the norm. I didn’t convert so much as I was called/drawn into it from a young age. I communicated with and was watched over by YHWH most of my childhood amongst other Gods, and he’s the main person I have experience with, although I’ve recently been getting into the bussiness of angels. Interestingly most of my interactions have been very Judaic/Old Testament in how they’ve been handled. If Jesus truly is an aspect of God, than he is not the aspect that I have had experience dealing with, and I’ve yet to meet him.

    Also the Bible has got to be one of the most advanced esoteric grimoires out there for one who knows what they’re looking for. I feel like the vast majority of individuals who are part of Abrahamic faiths misinterpret the texts because of the fact that it requires at least a nominal understanding of esoteric/magical concepts to fully understand.

    Overall I’d say my approach to this is very animistic/shamanistic. The Christian God is not outright opposed to the worship of other deities/egregores from my understanding (hence why Saints/Angels are allowed to be praised) but he *is* the head honcho of the pantheon and considers himself more important/above them. If he asks you to do something he expects you to do it, and oftentimes he will carry out tests of faith to establish your localness.

    If I had one word to sum it all up. Lovecraftian.

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